Comments on: The State of Computer Engineering http://vivin.net/2009/01/02/the-state-of-computer-engineering/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss random musings of just another computer nerd Sun, 05 Feb 2012 22:22:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: vivin http://vivin.net/2009/01/02/the-state-of-computer-engineering/comment-page-1/#comment-1487 vivin Thu, 25 Feb 2010 04:35:22 +0000 http://vivin.net/?p=399#comment-1487 <a href="#comment-1486" rel="nofollow">@Russ Dill </a> Wow, that's a neat story! Have you talked to him about the classes? I wonder what it was like back in '79! @Russ Dill
Wow, that’s a neat story! Have you talked to him about the classes? I wonder what it was like back in ’79!

]]> By: Russ Dill http://vivin.net/2009/01/02/the-state-of-computer-engineering/comment-page-1/#comment-1486 Russ Dill Thu, 25 Feb 2010 04:23:01 +0000 http://vivin.net/?p=399#comment-1486 I was at ASU from 98-02 and really enjoyed the classes that Pheanis's and Johnson's classes offered. My in-laws are moving so my wife and I collected a bunch of her boxed school papers. Mixed in, I found some very familiar looking papers with the familiar word MUDBUG throughout. I discovered that my father-in-law took Pheanis's class on the M6800 in '79, the year I was born. Wow. I was at ASU from 98-02 and really enjoyed the classes that Pheanis’s and Johnson’s classes offered. My in-laws are moving so my wife and I collected a bunch of her boxed school papers. Mixed in, I found some very familiar looking papers with the familiar word MUDBUG throughout. I discovered that my father-in-law took Pheanis’s class on the M6800 in ’79, the year I was born. Wow.

]]> By: Ahmed http://vivin.net/2009/01/02/the-state-of-computer-engineering/comment-page-1/#comment-403 Ahmed Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:00:15 +0000 http://vivin.net/?p=399#comment-403 Aah...I had CSE 225 with Lance Johnson as well. I barely passed CSE 225 and CSE 421 (With dr Pheanis) with C grades!! I had CSE 422 with I think Dr Woodfill!! Sweet memories of VAX labs and CRT terminals!!! I miss them!! Dr. Pheanis used to create a special bond in his class. Very decdicated to the students. He will be missed by students. Another area where most computer science schools (including ASU) are shrinking or not paying much attention to is use of scheme/Lisp for teaching computing. Pointers can be avoided now if someone starts taking courses with Java - another thumbs down. I think we had only one course where little bit of Lisp and Prolog were used - can't remember the course number now. Anyway, as Sheehan said now-a-days we have code-producing factories. There is not much writing (of codes) going on. That is how the world is :( Aah…I had CSE 225 with Lance Johnson as well. I barely passed CSE 225 and CSE 421 (With dr Pheanis) with C grades!! I had CSE 422 with I think Dr Woodfill!! Sweet memories of VAX labs and CRT terminals!!! I miss them!!

Dr. Pheanis used to create a special bond in his class. Very decdicated to the students. He will be missed by students.

Another area where most computer science schools (including ASU) are shrinking or not paying much attention to is use of scheme/Lisp for teaching computing. Pointers can be avoided now if someone starts taking courses with Java – another thumbs down. I think we had only one course where little bit of Lisp and Prolog were used – can’t remember the course number now.

Anyway, as Sheehan said now-a-days we have code-producing factories. There is not much writing (of codes) going on. That is how the world is :(

]]> By: vivin http://vivin.net/2009/01/02/the-state-of-computer-engineering/comment-page-1/#comment-402 vivin Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:40:08 +0000 http://vivin.net/?p=399#comment-402 Hey Sheehan, Lance Johnson is a really good teacher. Yep, that's the same way I felt about his class. You really do sign up for an ass-whooping, but you end up seeing assembly in a completely different light. I agree with the point that programming does deliver instant business value. But I think that deals more with consulting than the actual application of programming. You're actually one of the few recent graduates that I've seen who actually know what they're doing and why they are doing it. People who like Computer Engineering and programming because they are passionate about it. I guess what's also missing these days in the program is that you don't "learn to learn"; I feel that's very important in a programmer. Hey Sheehan,

Lance Johnson is a really good teacher. Yep, that’s the same way I felt about his class. You really do sign up for an ass-whooping, but you end up seeing assembly in a completely different light.

I agree with the point that programming does deliver instant business value. But I think that deals more with consulting than the actual application of programming. You’re actually one of the few recent graduates that I’ve seen who actually know what they’re doing and why they are doing it. People who like Computer Engineering and programming because they are passionate about it.

I guess what’s also missing these days in the program is that you don’t "learn to learn"; I feel that’s very important in a programmer.

]]> By: sheehan http://vivin.net/2009/01/02/the-state-of-computer-engineering/comment-page-1/#comment-401 sheehan Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:31:10 +0000 http://vivin.net/?p=399#comment-401 really good post. funny you mention, Lance Johnson apparently he is legendary. I took 225 w/ Deborah Calliss at ASU and it was your basic assembly class. That summer I was looking for classes to take, and I saw L. Johnson teaching 225 at MCC (I learned of him from Nasser and wanted to see what he's all about). I pretty much signed up for an ass-whooping, but really learned assembly at a whole new level. though I agree with you that the current state of computer science has definitely made things easier for new graduates like me (2007) - programming is at a point where it can deliver instant business value. you've got frameworks, language enhancements, and tools that automate a lot of things for you. this allows you to focus more on architecture, design, and customer requirements. money talks, and at the end of the day you are satisfying your end user. really good post. funny you mention, Lance Johnson apparently he is legendary. I took 225 w/ Deborah Calliss at ASU and it was your basic assembly class. That summer I was looking for classes to take, and I saw L. Johnson teaching 225 at MCC (I learned of him from Nasser and wanted to see what he’s all about). I pretty much signed up for an ass-whooping, but really learned assembly at a whole new level.

though I agree with you that the current state of computer science has definitely made things easier for new graduates like me (2007) – programming is at a point where it can deliver instant business value. you’ve got frameworks, language enhancements, and tools that automate a lot of things for you. this allows you to focus more on architecture, design, and customer requirements. money talks, and at the end of the day you are satisfying your end user.

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